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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:55 pm    Rediscovering music that disappeared into oblivion Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi all,

The last 1,5 years or so I started reviewing quite a bit of old(er) and unknown releases on my site along the ongoing string of new E-music;

I for one think resurfacing and rediscovering them while travelling back in time is fun to do, as there are many worthy works that seem to have "vanished" as the years went on, such as Diatonis - Landscape of a Dream, David Tollefson - New Eyes on the Universe, Pascal Languirand - De Harmonia Universalia (of which the review is almost done) or the output by the sadly deceased A Produce, Ruben Garcia...

So asked myself what re-discoveries of obscure and gem-nature others might have made, reviving these goodies connected to some good old memories, stories..
Just my 2 cents in those keeping memories alive.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:19 pm    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

I fear most old electronica I know belongs not really to the obscure variety.

However, just a few minutes ago I incidentally stumbled upon this here, a long track (or is it an album?) by some S. Ramses I never heard of before, apparently from 1978 - and quite a nice listen, too - like a slightly darker version of Hoenig's "Departure from the Northern Wasteland" in places...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K0UOKOdDvE




A French musician, apparently...

p://www.discogs.com/S-Ramses-Secret/release/1323611

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:14 pm    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

Some reviews of Daniel Biry (RIP) would be nice.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:50 pm    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

stupid forum won't let me quote, so Bruecknerambient said: "apparently from 1978 - and quite a nice listen, too - like a slightly darker version of Hoenig's "Departure from the Northern Wasteland" in places... "

I don't hear any of that, but what i do hear is the 3 note sequence from the beginning of Ricochet part-1 @ 10:44


Another french synthesist we don't hear about is Zanov (Pierre Zalkazanov)

Green Ray album from 1976
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVWrQ-U4AaM

Moebius 256 301 album from 1977
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCs2wJBMTv4

In Course Of Time album from 1982
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdG6tf3456o

Looks like he took ideas from Jean-Michel Jarre, Klaus Schulze & Tangerine Dream on these 3 albums.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:28 pm    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi all

There is some evidence that Zanov and S. Ramses were in fact the same person, some kind of impersonation of the french producer Alain Gross, since he was producer of both artists. So Zanov and S. Ramses would be only psedonyms. Musically are also quite similar. I don't know what to believe. It's worth investigating.

Here you have more intriguing information.

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?artist=Zanov

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:33 pm    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

P.P.S. This seems to be the same musician...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVWrQ-U4AaM


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:27 pm    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

« Syn » wrote:
[...] Another french synthesist we don't hear about is Zanov (Pierre Zalkazanov) [...]


Zanov would have come to my mind as well. Nice stuff, especially "Moebius" and "Course of Time".

Not sure about the Alain Gross pseudonyme, though -- some people have met Zanov in the past, and according to them, that´s his real name. Got in touch with him once via youtube (Myspace?) but never heard back from him.

The Ramses stuff does not at all share any similarities with Hoenig... in fact it sounds like aimless noodlings on a Korg PE-2000 (which would have been nice in my book twenty years ago...). Might as well have been some of those endless Kistenmacher work-outs from the late 1980s.

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« Syn » wrote:
Bruecknerambient said: "apparently from 1978 - and quite a nice listen, too - like a slightly darker version of Hoenig's "Departure from the Northern Wasteland" in places... "

I don't hear any of that, but what i do hear is the 3 note sequence from the beginning of Ricochet part-1 @ 10:44


« dronescape » wrote:
The Ramses stuff does not at all share any similarities with Hoenig...


Well, it was just playing while I was typing, and at that moment I it just reminded me (note I wrote: in places). That was shortly before half way in, I think. But anyway - I quite enjoyed it, even if it was just...

« dronescape » wrote:
(...) aimless noodlings on a Korg PE-2000


...after all I'm a Schulze fan. Laughing


« Syn » wrote:
Looks like he took ideas from Jean-Michel Jarre, Klaus Schulze & Tangerine Dream on these 3 albums.


I think so. Then again, there weren't too many other possible inspirations around in this field, at that time, were they...?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:19 pm    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

BreucknerAmbient said "...after all I'm a Schulze fan."

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Note: Odd how i can't quote your posts, but i can quote other members posts, have you got something turned off in your profile so people can't quote you ? Or is there a f**k up somewhere ?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:28 pm    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

« Syn » wrote:
BreucknerAmbient said "...after all I'm a Schulze fan."

We will get you KDM as your manager.


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Note: Odd how i can't quote your posts, but i can quote other members posts, have you got something turned off in your profile so people can't quote you ? Or is there a f**k up somewhere ?


Nothing turned off (but the readers), as far as I know. Other people have no problems quoting my posts, I think...

Short posts, that is. I have noticed that from a certain length on, I can't quote posts (from anyone) either - if I hit "quote" there's just an empty window. However, I usually take the time to work around that (which is possible, yet unconvenient...).

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:36 pm    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

But back to topic - may I suggest a review of Laurie Spiegel's "The Expanding Universe"? Couldn't find that on SonicImmersion...

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:33 am    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

« BruecknerAmbient » wrote:
But back to topic - may I suggest a review of Laurie Spiegel's "The Expanding Universe"? Couldn't find that on SonicImmersion...


I'm assuming you're posting this because Expanding Universe has been reissued, and can be had for the normal price of a CD. Yeaaa!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:33 am    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

Very Happy that's what happens when canvassing opinions, opens all sorts of cans of worms, just do it as you get the time.

On a selective basis would be good bearing in mind all those albums are long gone, the main source for some may be youtube to get a "sound" idea.
The difficult part with any retrospective reviews for both a reviewer and a reader would taking a trip back in time and imagine how it sounded then, even comparing it to similar vintage EM.

Zanov's photo image is confirmed from several interviews published in the early '80's.

I got all their releases: Zanov on French Polydor & Andes labels as well as the Canadian Solaris label.
Serge Ramses's Secrets on French RCA has on the back a very different person which I could not confirm as true because I have never seen any other image of S. Ramses other than on the back of Secrets:

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If this Ramses is Zanov with a fake image then it's possible, as the music is experimental it would take a good musical ear to forensically identify playing and production styles, to my ears, the music comes from 2 different persons.

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More vinyl only forgotten music Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 12:41 pm    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

Has Laurie Spiegel ever been widely discovered outside experimental music circles of the USA?

I happened to come accross her name in the 1990s when I was trying to learn more about the MacLeyvier (spelling?) synthesiser she is reputed to have used.

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