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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:37 pm    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

« GlennFolkvord » wrote:
I refuse to become a musician/composer, just so I can marvel at the rainbow more. I suspect that if I learn too much about synths (the only instruments I am inclined to learn/play/use) much of the magic of the music that others make, will dissappear.

So, it's not that I am lazy, but I just want to marvel more.


ah, but I find that the magic of observing is easily surpassed by the magic of creating Smile

and even though what you learn may lessen some of the magic, it can make it seem more magical Smile

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:32 pm    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

« modulator_esp » wrote:

ah, but I find that the magic of observing is easily surpassed by the magic of creating Smile


Maybe it works like that for some people, but not for me. You know, sometimes you just want to eat that hotdog and enjoy it, but you never want to know what it's made of Smile

"People who know how hotdogs and politics are made, will not sleep good at night" someone said...... hehe!

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« Seren » wrote:
Hi Mac,
great article.

Thanks! Smile

« Seren » wrote:
I too find it really important to dream, whether with rainbows, clear star filled skies or watching my grandaughter grow up.

You have a granddaughter already? Must be great for her to have such a young granddad! Smile My father was over 50 when I was born (let alone my grandparents), and - believe me - that was no fun at all...

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Too much pressure nowadays to keep busy, too much stress from jobs and paying bills. Without the dreaming I become dead inside, just going through the motions....

Right; there are times when only finding that pure light inside of us can make us put up with all the things we are forced to do. Society has become just a horrible mechanism that survives by feeding on its own very components: people... Only the dreams and light we have inside and that we can find in the ones we love can give soem sense to it all.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:05 pm    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

GlennFolkvord, in a way I can relate to what you're saying - even if I agree with Modulator, there's definitely magic in creating...
However, for reasons very similar to yours, I always refused to study music theory; I want to make sure my music is there to express what I am and what I feel, not what I know. I want to be able to be surprised by what I do, preserve some naivete (don't remember how to spell this, sorry) to make the whole experience genuine.

A couple of weeks ago I was listening to an album I deeply love - Discovery, by Mike Oldfield. I hadn't really listened to it properly (darkness, lying down, headphones) for years. During these years I have improved my knowledge about mixing and producing etc. quite a bit.
Well, I was lying there with Oldfield in my ears, and you know what? I wasn't feeling the emotions, I caught myself listening to the way he panned the instruments, the volume of the various parts, etc.
I was scared. Really. I took off the headphones, took a walk, and when I came back I immersed myself in the music again, but with a different spirit. And it worked. I didn't hear the studio work, but I felt the music.

So... yes, I'd never give up making my own music, but at the same time the risk of "losing the magic" as a listener exists.
However, I think that if you manage to keep a certain balance inside, you can enjoy both.
If listening is so important to you, however, it is probably a good idea not to run the risk Smile

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:32 pm    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

Mac, balance is always very important.

I decided to not learn too much about music creation in the 90s when I observed that some of my musician friends dissected music from a technical perspective and no longer enjoyed the music, but perhaps enjoyed figuring out the patches in stead. That scared me.

But for those that are into creation, and find magic in it, please go ahead, as that creates more magic for the rest of us.

Edit: Hmm, this thread actually covers the same topic as my next planned Column entry. I may need to rewrite it now.

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« GlennFolkvord » wrote:
Edit: Hmm, this thread actually covers the same topic as my next planned Column entry. I may need to rewrite it now.

Ouch, sorry to hear that Sad But maybe it could be an extention of it, a sort of discussion on a subject that goes deeper into it?

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« Mac of BIOnighT » wrote:

However, for reasons very similar to yours, I always refused to study music theory; I want to make sure my music is there to express what I am and what I feel, not what I know. I want to be able to be surprised by what I do, preserve some naivete (don't remember how to spell this, sorry) to make the whole experience genuine.

Well, I was lying there with Oldfield in my ears, and you know what? I wasn't feeling the emotions, I caught myself listening to the way he panned the instruments, the volume of the various parts, etc.
I was scared.


Intriguing. I've passed this phase as well, switching hats from listener to composer and back. However, having written some (including Ad Infinitum, the jukebox track,) I felt compelled to take up theory if only to properly structure my musical rambling--and I wouldn't be able to do the arpeggiations that I do.

Notwithstanding, while I've begun to lose interest in other genres, when I do get or make the time, EM is what I tune in to; like ice-cream--it's always good. Cool

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Well, the main - and often only - purpose of music (or writing, or painting, or whatever) should be to express what you have inside so that it turns into something "material" that can be experienced by yourself and by others. So, if that doesn't happen - if you listen to what you do and think, "this is not quite what I had inside" - studying can be helpful, of course.
The trick is to use what you learn to make what you create as similar as possible to what you have inside, as opposed to considering it a possession, something to use just because you have it and maybe even to show off...
I think the friends GlennFolkvord was talking about (and I've met my share, too) fell unfortunately into the category of people who think of knowledge as something to possess and even show off, but of course that doesn't mean that everybody is like that Smile

Regarding your last lines, do you mean you're gradually stopping listening to music? I ask because I do listen to much less music than I used to - mainly because of lack of time (mostly the pressure Seren mentioned), but also because when I have time I prefer to make music. I can't say I don't miss it, though, so I'm planning to start listening to more music somehow.

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« Mac of BIOnighT » wrote:

Ouch, sorry to hear that Sad But maybe it could be an extention of it, a sort of discussion on a subject that goes deeper into it?


Nothing to apologize for, it just shows the topic is valid.

Might rewrite it, or use the other Column entry which is a little more provocative and will probably get me some hate mail, haha!

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I've only just read this article and the discussion (frankly, with the title I thought it was some kind of new age hippie introspection!) and realised I'd missed a fun read with some relevant observations. I certainly agree with a lot of what you wrote.

I always remind myself what I might lose if I became blind or deaf, and it really makes me appreciate what I can see and hear. I realise that I would hate to lose my hearing mostly because I'd miss listening to music, so it's no surprise that music still means a lot to me even as a composer. In fact, as a composer I probably appreciate music more now - the skill of those who compose and play it (especially different genres that I can't begin to fathom how to compose, only appreciate). Plus, I get to write the kind of music that I like to listen to - if it sends chills down my spine, then it goes on an album. If others get those same chills, at least I made someone happy.

Incidentally, don't feel disadvantaged without musical theory. A good friend of mine, who had done music to A-level standard, always felt that knowing too much theory imposed too rigid a framework on your thought processes - he felt that self-taught musicians are often better composers exactly because they don't stick by the predictable and rigid rules of classical theory. I find that rules are a good guide, but you should always go with your own feelings.

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« Mac of BIOnighT » wrote:

The trick is to use what you learn to make what you create as similar as possible to what you have inside, as opposed to considering it a possession, something to use just because you have it and maybe even to show off...
Smile


I've often thought Jazz musicians to have this urge... Wink But I agree that the trick is to make the theory facilitate the individual (art)form--music in this case--if that didn't come across earlier. Otherwise it's all...academic.

« Mac of BIOnighT » wrote:

Regarding your last lines, do you mean you're gradually stopping listening to music? I ask because I do listen to much less music than I used to - mainly because of lack of time (mostly the pressure Seren mentioned), but also because when I have time I prefer to make music. I can't say I don't miss it, though, so I'm planning to start listening to more music somehow.


Actually, yes--and for reasons mentioned. Again, EM is the exception, as there's enough around to satiate; though I do miss the vintage Virgin-Blue Years TD arrangements...

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« corporation » wrote:
with the title I thought it was some kind of new age hippie introspection!) and realised I'd missed a fun read with some relevant observations. I certainly agree with a lot of what you wrote.

Thanks Smile Well, I'm definitely not a new age person, but I'll easily admit to being an introspective hippie Wink

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I always remind myself what I might lose if I became blind.

"Dear sirs, please send me a copy of your book "How to overcome unjustified worries"; please, send me a copy on tape, too, just in case a poison arrow made me blind." Smile Wink (from an old strip, don't remember the title). Yes, I joke about it, but I think about that possibility, too... I really don't know how I would react, or even if I'd be able to react at all, to cope with living like that... scary, indeed.


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or deaf, and it really makes me appreciate what I can see and hear.

That's a good point - we all should learn to appreciate what we have while we have it, while most of the time we do that only when it's gone. Let me say that it is particularly important with people; always say "I love you" while you can, you never know when the time comes that you won't be able to do that anymore.

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Plus, I get to write the kind of music that I like to listen to - if it sends chills down my spine, then it goes on an album. If others get those same chills, at least I made someone happy.

Nice! Smile That reminds me of something I read once, there was this guy who was into movies, don't remember who, and he was talking about his early experiences as a movie goer when he was a kid. He said the his personal way to tell how good a film was, was to count the chills it gave him. So, a one-chill film was good, a three-chill film was great, and so forth. I think it is a good way also to select music Smile

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I find that rules are a good guide, but you should always go with your own feelings.

Yep Smile

Azra, I shouldn't say this, and of course there are exceptions, but I've always had the same feeling about a certain kind of jazz musicians, too... Embarassed

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:23 pm    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi Mac,

Thank you for your uplifting article. It made me feel good - I took that with me and thought about the rainbow periodically throughout the day. I will listen to your music - surely it must be good. Smile

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Hello and thank you, Susan, I'm very happy I touched your soul in some way.
My music is certainly not as good as yours (although unfortunately I could only listen to one track, as there seems to be something wrong with the links in your website and I can't get to the samples (or maybe it's because I just got up and my brain will start working in a couple of hours Wink ).

Please allow me to give you a track as a gift www.macvibes.com/TEMPORSOUNDS/THE_WALTZ_OF_LOVE-Mac_of_BIOnighT.mp3
at one point it sounds like it's finished, but it is not, so keep listening Wink

Thanks again for your comment! Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:16 pm    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi Mac,

I was right. I found the rainbow in your music and on your site. Thank you for this piece. I've now played it about 10 times. It's just lovely and evokes lovely imagery too. Right at about 1:10 I was standing on a cliff overlooking the ocean feeling free in the expansiveness. Very nice... movie music. Smile

I also explored your site which is also very charming. I love this quote:

Just like I don't understand (even if I obviously respect) the choice to live a life where every day is precisely like the previous one, I couldn't stand making only one kind of music. Life is fortunately made of so many different emotions, so many different experiences, so many different stages, so many different thoughts, that I just couldn't force myself to express only one single aspect of it.

Nice. Smile

I didn't get to listen to more of your music for interruptions but I had such a good time looking at all the things on your site so I will go back for more.

I checked my mp3 samples and they seem to be working fine - not sure what happened there. But so you don't have to try again, here is one for you. It is not the most chosen for radio airplay but might be my personal favorite. I hope you enjoy it as much half as I did yours.

http://www.dreamaiden.com/BlueLight_128/BlueLight.mp3

Nice to meet you Mac!

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