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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:54 pm    -The Sad Old Seven- Reply with quoteBack to top

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:38 pm    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

Finally Artemi has managed write a good few home truths about the abysmal state that EM has finally become.

Although Kraftwerk have kept on kinda recycling their back catalogue, there was talk of a new album this year from them (possibly a rumour) after the disappointing T.D.F Soundtracks album. Although Bartos kept the old spirit of the Werk alive through his own imitable way.

Schulze has crossed into the dance market too because of what was happening in the German techno-scene and being outdone by newer producers ie: Pete Namlook and Sven Hath etc.

Vangelis - ditched his trademark CS80 sounds and orchestral synth playing styles for the pursuit of more orchestral sounds as Artemi pointed out.

Jarre - Needs to retire, as he another musician being outdone by his fellow frenchman namely Daft Punk and Air. And has embraced the dance/trance scene with open arms and known of course for his playback concerts and pyrotechnics.

Well Artemi's write-up was far better than the other two poor submissions previously...

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:27 pm    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

« dronescape » wrote:
Jarre himself admitted it was a rather weak album when I talked about it with him.

Not as weak as the rest of the junk he churned out after that...

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I thought that Jarre had really made an interesting move when he released Oxygene 7-13. But according to what dronescape said a few days ago, it seems Jarre was yet dissapointed and willing to explore something new.

So Artemi is propably right that most of those "old ones" are no more making music the members of this forum like. Jarre wanted to choose a different path after 1998, so did TD after mid 80s. My conclusion is that it would have been too difficult and restricting for these artist to carry on producing "the old stuff" year after year. They either felt they need a new direction in their career or they realised that inspiration just won't have the same characteristics as it used to have during the most creative times of their careers.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:37 pm    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

Great column, Artemi! Smile And very sad, too... Thinking of that makes an em musician of today feel like he's an orphan Sad

The point with the stars above mentioned is not that they changed the kind of music they made, but the fact that their music is no longer as good or creative (with some exceptions, of course) as it used to be.
While it's obvious that one can't possibly be innovative all his life (it'd be totally crazy to expect that), the general feeling is that for most of these stars music has simply turned into a job, as opposed to a creative urge.
Creative direction and personal exploration are mostly missing.

Even if we think of other artists that are not expected to be creative but simply commercially successful, we can find examples em stars should follow...
Think of Madonna, for example: she's been in the business since the 80's, and she's been constantly renewing herself while maintaining her own style. You never know what she'll come up with next, but quality and direction are always there. And she's just commercial music...

If the em stars had done the same, we would all be happier, I guess.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:42 pm    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

« Mac of BIOnighT » wrote:
If the em stars had done the same, we would all be happier, I guess.


Yep! let's all sell out to commercialism Very Happy



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:59 pm    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

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Yep! let's all sell out to commercialism Very Happy

C'mon, why waste time with all the synths and the darn boring stuff, let's set up a boy band and make some serious money!! Syn, can you dance and lipsync at the same time? Wink Laughing

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This shows that only KS remained faithful to his music in the em scene...
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« Syn303 » wrote:

Well Artemi's write-up was far better than the other two poor submissions previously...


Thank you very much on behalf of Glenn and me...

It is obvious that there are still people who measure the quality of a column (or any opinion for that matter) to how much they agree with the content.
Well, get you head out of yer A*se matey, that's not how it works...

By the way, congrats Artemi. You wrote a good column, and I agree with most that you say in it. And I think that the part I don't agree with (that KS produces "real EM" today) is an interesting subject for debate rather than a stick to swing at you...

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« M@kz Delissen » wrote:
And I think that the part I don't agree with (that KS produces "real EM" today) is an interesting subject for debate...



Of course Klaus doesn't produce real EM today. Not since his collaboration with Pete Namlook on the DSOTM series of CD's which were beat-laden and it probably gave Klaus the idea to keep in touch with today's audience of listeners. After Audentity Klaus produced mainly garbage, but picked up again on the DSOTM series.

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« xxx440Hz » wrote:
This shows that only KS remained faithful to his music in the em scene...


All the artists from the 90's and uptil now are very faithful too.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:42 am    (No subject) Reply with quoteBack to top

« Syn303 » wrote:
« M@kz Delissen » wrote:
And I think that the part I don't agree with (that KS produces "real EM" today) is an interesting subject for debate...
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After Audentity Klaus produced mainly garbage....


I disagree with this.

the only bad thing of this period was the "Goes Classic" album.
That people do not like the newer albums has nothing to do with that it is garbage, but that the taste of the listener is different. So maybe for you Syn the newer albums are garbage, for me it is just an other way to travel through space Wink

than a question: what is "Real EM"
Analog synths, Digital synths, Electronic organ/ piano/ guitar, Computer Music, Acoustic sounds or random radiowaves played through electronic effects devices?
please tell me what is "Real EM" Twisted Evil

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« Phrozenlight » wrote:
please tell me what is "Real EM" Twisted Evil


Please don't start that one again. Rolling Eyes

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« Phrozenlight » wrote:
So maybe for you Syn the newer albums are garbage, for me it is just an other way to travel through space Wink


Okay... maybe it's not garbage, it's just him getting old and tired and he has signs of arthritis in his fingers and KDM is pushing his buttons a bit more than he did before...



« Phrozenlight » wrote:
please tell me what is "Real EM" Twisted Evil


Don't ask me!! ask Artemi, or phone a friend, or go 50/50 or ask the audience... Very Happy

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I doubt we will ever get electronic 'superstars' like the magnificent 7 again as they came around in a time when what they were doing was revolutionary by default just by using a new(ish) medium that had been refined enough to bridge the gap between abstract electronic sounds and traditional harmonic instruments which finally caught the imagination of the general public.
These days electronic music is so diverse with so many artists doing things in constantly different ways then its hard to stand out unless its something an innovative DJ is spreading to the masses like the attention a live shown would normally get however this culture is restrained by the boundaries of club music and these days public prefer to see a sweaty guitar band than two bods miming behind a load of equipment.
For an artist to shine above a niche genre it would take a performance act thats appeals to a large social culture or get attention via use with some other mainstream medium like a TV ad or film soundtrack.
I think the main problem with the 'Golden 7' is that they rode on the back of the technology wave for most of their career which had a fundamental effect on influencing the the music they produced and kept them ahead of the game for some time. Even if Klaus Schulze said in 1979 that "there are 10 synth artist's going in different directions" their music in effect was still restrained by the limits of the technology they had at the time hence they have all been grouped together as the 'Sad Old 7' or 'Golden era' looking back.
Its only when music technology came full circle in the late 80's/early 90's and became more available to younger artists with fresh ideas that the 'Golden Oldies' were kinda left in the dust with no where to go as these young electronic artists were no riding on the back of their own drug fueled sub culture similar to the Rock of the late 60's.
Creating electronic music in the past was more a case of what you could get from the technology that was available at the time where as these days it more on your selection of the equipment and sound that you want from the infinite sources freely available hence so many sub genre's within other genre's blah-blah.
I think the big artists of the dance renaissance will get the same flack in 10yrs time like the artist of the 70's do now yet still maintaining admiration for their past work its just progression and evolution which is natural for a living medium such as music.
Electronic dance music will creep back eventually when the kids finally get sick of this indie pop rock but it will just be a diluted version of whats been before played by preset laptop DJ's to please the masses and cash in.
The internet whilst making piracy rife also makes lots more available for people to refine their tastes so I think this is where the current future of progressive electronic music culture will thrive for the time being reaching out to new audiences around the globe hence forums like this one! Wink

As far as electronic music standing out to the masses goes I think it would take a live act of exceptional talent, innovation and skill with technology thats visually coherent yet fully functional in a true live environment that will inspire other artists for a new method of expression but we ain't going to get that playing ad lib keyboard solos, hiding behind laptops or relying on MIDI. Confused


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« Phrozenlight » wrote:


than a question: what is "Real EM"
Analog synths, Digital synths, Electronic organ/ piano/ guitar, Computer Music, Acoustic sounds or random radiowaves played through electronic effects devices?
please tell me what is "Real EM" Twisted Evil


Well said.

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