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Earworm
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Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:57 pm (No subject) |
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« softroom » wrote:
I think fame is another realm entirely.
In the UK, fame is achieved by doing a little karaoke then going on a reality TV "talent" show and sobbing because your granny just died.
That could sound slightly sarcastic if it wan't 100% true in every single sense.
Brian
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von haulshoven
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Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:57 pm (No subject) |
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i would like to get famous and rich with the stone age sequences but.... 
anyway i take a creativity stop, no more von haulshoven albums the next few years.
maybe there is a way to sell some copys, scream out loud that you are dead 
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Graham
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Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:21 pm (No subject) |
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« softroom » wrote:
and sobbing because your granny just died.
Has one of their granny's just died?
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dronescape
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Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:21 pm (No subject) |
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Which is of course bad luck... for granny.
Stephen
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Epiphany
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Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:42 pm (No subject) |
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It seems that most of you has a valid point. But the bottom line is expect no sales.
Bummer.....
Well i guess that i have a lot of cd's left to use as a promotional thingy
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modulator_esp
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Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:55 pm (No subject) |
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quote from recent Robert Rich interview
'The only way to survive in "free culture" is to remain enough well-liked by the listeners who follow one's artwork that they *want* to pay for music as a show of support, as a vote of confidence. Without those few supportive listeners, it would get rather discouraging. '
This says much more succinctly what I was trying to say originally 
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softroom
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Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:03 pm (No subject) |
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Exactly. Michel Huygen said something similar recently. He has managed to reach his audience in a way few artists do, producing albums that he sells on CDBaby, all self-produced and to the standard his fans expect.
It's definitely possible to connect with people, it just sometimes requires a different approach than the olden days...
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Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:25 pm (No subject) |
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http://emusician.com/interviews/in_the_mix/in_mix_vive_le_progres/
"the act of releasing music will focus on the two extremes of a cheap download and an expensive, deluxe art edition combining beautiful packaging with a CD, a high-resolution audio format, and perhaps also vinyl. For those of us who still like our music presented as art, things are actually moving in a good direction, with many new releases and archive reissues presented in this kind of packaging, with a lot of care given to the audio fidelity. On the other hand, the download satisfies the people for whom the art is simply the music. "
I love Steven Wilson's view on the music industry, the other columns are great too.
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ChrisX
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Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:51 pm (No subject) |
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« modulator_esp » wrote:
If you want to sell your music nowadays it seems to me that you have to connect with your audience and give them something more than just the music
That is a very valid point you are making. 2 examples for all of you to check (although none are EM):
- Imogen Heap:
British singer-songwriter. She is probably THE artist who is harnassing the power of the internet and social media. When she started making her latest album she began documenting that by posting videos on Youtube. Funny, serious, odd videos that gave glimpses of what she was working on and not only about her album but also what was happening around her. Then she asked her followers on Twitter to write her biography. When the album was nearly finished she asked for help on the artwork and now for her liveshows she is actually auditioning (over the internet and while on tour) local cello-players to accompany her on some songs.
- Frost*:
progrock composer / producer / vocalist / keyboardplayer Jem Godfrey took his lead from Imogen Heap and when it was time to record his second album he started doing videoblogs on Youtube as well. A lot of them are extremely funny. Furthermore, Godfrey keeps close taps on his fan community through the Frost forum on his website.
On a much much smaller scale, forum member Kebu has a channel on Youtube to which I have subscribed because I really like his videos and music. He gets quite a few views I see and he can harnass those views by asking people to subscribe and post videos on a more regular basis documenting what he does.
Most importantly:simply making the music available without you actually working it i.e. promoting / drawing attention to it then you is something that really doesn't work anymore.
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dronescape
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Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:55 am (No subject) |
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Steve Wilson is another intelligent soul out there.
As for Imogen Heap, sure, yes, you can do that, but you have to have somebody to do that internet thingy for you while you´re working on your music. And having somebody around who pays the bills in the meantime won´t do any harm either.
Stephen
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arronizlive
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Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:37 am (No subject) |
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I play music because it gives me pleasure, I never think what am I going to do after it's finished,
I mix my daily life-work with my daily life-dreams...
Absolutely, the whole thing is changing, the pioneers of recorded music had very few competition,
now you have 100 new albums a day to compete with, worldwide...
And if you ask me, some say: "Anyone can create music this days"
hmmm... That's GREAT!
Adapting to this new "world" will require some different strategy,
but NEVER stop creating music...
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rasperjd
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HI Y'all....interesting, and very familiar, discussion. I have made comments in the past re this 'effect' of the digital age so to speak, but.....
It is all very well for (some) to go out and play 'live' and thus 'earn' some income from merchandising etc; all well and good if you have a) the facility to do that and b) the 'energy' to tour, assuming you could get the booking(s), and c) i9f you are the Stones or some such 'big' band.
To say that these folks (the big guys) don't make money on their recordings is fine..for them. Not everyone has that capability or machinery/organisation behind them.
After 25 years or more of doing gigs (ok, not that many!!) and trundling around in a van etc..(which WAS fun!) some of us have earned our corn, or 'done the time' etc.
In the past I, like many of you out there, did a full-time job as well as the music....now that I am 'retired from the job, there is no possibility of 'financing' music in the same way; if there is no income, and you have nothing to come from your music, how do you 'pay' for even the blank CDs..???? Never mind the machinery/gear/computers/electricity etc etc etc.
The one 'bad' thing abou the 'Net and the digital world...is that it has de-valued music (and other genres) to such an extent that all seem to want it ALL for nothing (see the posts above). It is so sad....
Ditto with football (soccer for the USA guys!) here in the UK...I was an avid supporter of Sheffield Wednesday (still am I suppose!) for years but about 10-15 years ago, I could see that the rot had set in...I said THEN that in time, there would only be 20 clubs left....eventually. It seems to be coming true, slowly, ok, but still there.
The comment re the 'art/package' for a physcal CD as opposed to a 'cheap' download is a good one....I always said this in the past, even when we were selling' good numbers...
Re the 'make dance music if you want to sell'...that isn't going to work...if your music doesn't come from the heart, then there is no point. How un-satisfying to make 'money' doing something you hate (or at least don't like)......I was there...it was called 'work'.....:O) (mind you, I always enjoyed it really, except the last five years...don't ask!).
Trying to change the 'attitude' of the 'multitude' is a worthy...if ultimately fruitless task....but we still try...don't we...? Love JD and Co xxx
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:40 am (No subject) |
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The internet has devastated music.
It's all very well having access to fans you wouldn't have had before, but if your music is lost in an ocean of music, things become extremely difficult. As I've said before, I think the only way forward is to make a small community of fans who don't want to defraud you...
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:42 am (No subject) |
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When she started making her latest album she began documenting that by posting videos on Youtube. Funny, serious, odd videos that gave glimpses of what she was working on and not only about her album but also what was happening around her...
I think this is a mistake in the long term. Making "making-of" documentaries reduces the mystery of the artist. Once people know enough, they'll go somewhere else. Without mystique, an artist is nothing.
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dronescape
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:56 am (No subject) |
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« stevepalmer » wrote:
[...] but if your music is lost in an ocean of music [...]
I would adjust this to "an ocean of background noise" which would be a lot more accurate IMO.
The other Stephen
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