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Vignoble @ Co.
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Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:03 am -Electronic Music Superstars- |
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dlmorley
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« dlmorley » wrote:
Wow. Quite a lot of things I totally disagree with in here....
Yeah David I disagree too. The above is such a narrow view.
Future *crap* Music Mag once labelled in an interview with Jarre, that he was perhaps the godfather of Techno, oh! how wrong they were, Jarre is nothing than a mere pop-artist, the likely candidates for the Techno label were Kraftwerk, Mobieus and the Bellevue 3 (May, Atkins & Saunderson).
EM is a tiny niche, some rate it as Muzak or musical wallpaper thats bland and monotonous, although this statement is also applied to certain areas of Electronica, of course that is more popular than ordinary EM will be ever be.
EM has originators, pioneers and founders and most were there before TD, Vangelis and *the pompous* french git Jarre.
As for the statement about the 90's actually that is wrong, look back to the days of 70's Disco ie: Patrick Cowley, Moroder, Sylvester, Droids. The hip-hop & electro scenes - the music involved heavy use of synths and sequencers, of course it was Kraftwerk that brought that shuffling disco beat to the fore.
Today - TD, Vangelis and Jarre are kind of overtaken/surpassed if you will where people like a beat rather than a sequencer-fest or tron indulgence. EM might have it's community but it is a tiny community. Compared to the broader spectrum of Electronica, Ambient et al.
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Nice article, Glenn. Amazingly, some of the things mentioned could also be applied to other genres (Progrock etc).
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Interesting subject.
I wonder, in this day and age, when the celebs in the UK are anyone who is lucky enough to get on a reality TV show, if the real superstar is done and dusted.
Why should we care about a quality artist when we can see what the Big Brother housemates are having for dinner?
Why bother when a "karaoke singer" can win a TV music show and become famous overnight and perform on the stage in the west end?
The pop charts are full of artists who will last for 1 or 2 hits and never be seen again.
The album charts are full of yesterdays groups flogging their best hits packages.
I'm in moody old git mode here 
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I think most superstars are over-rated anyway, EM or otherwise 
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Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:39 am (No subject) |
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Wrong topic, I
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Sonic Steve
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Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:28 pm (No subject) |
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Everyone I know, accepts the fact that I'm into EM. Most are kind enough, when asked about the music to simple say, Its different. When the audiance is 99% males, that in itself makes it impossible to become anything above a niche cult.
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I agree it is fine to write and is good to start a good discussion, but I just can't agree with much there.
First of all, in ALL genres, there is a mass of artists who barely make a living and a few who do exceptionally well. This is the same in EM, Rock, Jazz etc.. it's just the way it is. Not an issue with genre's needing a superstar.
Look at Jazz. Recently they have their Jamie Cullem. Does this help most Jazz guys? Absolutely not. It may help a few pretty boys who happen to be decent enough jazz players to get a contract and a video. Doesn't help the Genre.
Classical. Same thing.
I had a lucky break when I started out. The field I was active in took off when I started and for maybe 7 years I made decent money from selling records. It was easy at the time (well, I guess my music was good too, but timing is everything) and there were no global superstars around, just talented people like Biosphere and Aphex Twin, both of whom were signed to the same label as I was. Believe me, there is nothing like having people like that around you, but they were never superstars.
Many "younger" people I know are fully aware of the work of the Aphex Twin for example. His music has become part of modern culture. It is used in TV NON STOP. The amount he makes on publishing would make Edgar green with envy.
But so what? He is very talented and has hit a nerve. Good for him. But, he never had to change his music or pretend to be something he wasn't.
Everyone has to look after themselves as artists these days.
Print your CD. Sell it if you can. If you can't, use it as a business card. Try and get some work through TV or Film. Write as much as you can and have high standards for yourself. Don't assume all you do is great. Throw stuff away.
Work hard and stick to your guns. Many people on this forum do that. Rewards may be around the corner for them. Thank god we don't know what awaits us in life or it would be either terrifying or boring!
Also, more importantly, don't listen to other people like me
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One question comes to my mind, though: Why on earth do we need Electronic Music Superstars? What
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Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:12 pm (No subject) |
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« dronescape » wrote:
Superstardom is something that allows people who have no artistic ambitions or talents at all to project their dreams onto something or somebody. Superstardom allows people who have a serious problem with their ego to be fed by those who need them as a projection screen. Neither thing has anything to do with good music, let alone artistic vision. It
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Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:18 pm (No subject) |
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don`t wonna be an electronic hero
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von haulshoven
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I wonna be a cycling zero!
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