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Feb Birthed
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phaedra2008
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Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:31 am (No subject) |
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Yes very cool indeed,
unfortunately the net is full of superficial reporting, the text narrative is correct, title is not.
These monuments are in former Yugoslavia where Tito was president, nothing to do with Soviet Union.
Shame they'll crumble, there is not enough money to go around for historic sites renovations let alone symbolic monuments.
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megatone
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Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:09 pm (No subject) |
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Most of those monuments on the pictures have nothing to do with communist ideology, that's why they can be considered works of art. On the other hand, the real communist monuments from the former Socialist camp are idols of tyranny and genocide, they represent the forces that exterminated tens of millions of people, and those forces are still alive.
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megatone
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(Continued) It's the same as talking about the preservation of nazi monuments in Germany, how would the German people feel about it? In general, I strongly disagree with this type of nostalgia for communism. How can some people cast on other countries to endure communist regimes, while themselves benefiting of the luxuries of capitalism? You should study history and what communsm really is.
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phaedra2008
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Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:18 am (No subject) |
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megatone,
You seem to agree these monuments can be considered works of art as the are non-communist symbols, so nothing offensive there.
Why the nazi/communist era rant, suffering/luxury life on either side of the cold war sides, genocide, etc
The above post has absolutely nothing of what you mention in it.
So what are you comments really about?
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Feb Birthed
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Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:09 am (No subject) |
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It was 4am and I was high as hell so I didn't notice the kooky text. I really dig the momuments. cool pics.
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phaedra2008
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Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:00 am (No subject) |
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Looked very cool to me too.
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megatone
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Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:32 pm (No subject) |
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It seemed to me that the article on that site was proposing to preserve all socialist monuments, not only those on the pictures. The fact is that most of the socialist monuments, like those for Lenin, Marx, etc are ugly and dumb and have nothing artistic in them, as I don't consider socialist realism an art. The article above supported the conservation of all communist monuments, and by that it was making explicite communist propaganda.
I appreciate that you noticed the ambiguity and inexactity of many texts on the net, and that you observed the difference between Soviet Union and Yugoslavia.
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megatone
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Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:33 pm (No subject) |
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I don't like the intrusion of communist propaganda on music sites, as I don't see at all what EMPortal has to do with politics.
I can't admire communism after what our recent communist regime in Moldova did. Could you have imagined a communist business class, communist billionaires? On the events on the 7th of April 2009 our communist government tortured and killed children randomly arrested from the streets, there were young girls raped by the police.
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(Continued) In the 1940ies and 50ies the comunist regime exterminated one million people in Moldova, from a total population of 2 million, a genocide similar to Cambodia. Shall I also mention about the Ribbentrop Molotov Pact, a peace treaty between Soviet Union and Nazi Germany before World War Two which separated Eastern Europe into spheres of interest. Germany Nazi party (National-Socialist) was in fact a socialist party, in the Soviet newspapers of the 1930ies there were published discourses of Nazi leaders, the German military buildup was made with the support of Soviet Union, many German officers were trained in Soviet Union, before World War Two comunist party was pro-nazi and when Germany invaded Poland, together with Soviet Union, the international communist party only praised it, saying that it will kill all the bourgeois in Europe.
I reiterated that I find it very displeasant the talks about the greatness of communism and communist monuments on a music forum, which has nothing to do with it. I wanted to clearify things.
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phaedra2008
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Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:55 pm (No subject) |
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Indeed this is not a political portal but that was just a link with some interesting images, and, some text some won't read or will interpret/understand differently.
The net is wide open and it is impossible to censorship or verify every little detail before posting a link, and then who's to decide what is OK and what may upset someone?
I am familiar with the historical developments there and I know and agree with what you mean.
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these are fine examples of beautiful architecture...and as such (beautiful architecture objects) should be taken care of and not let them fall apart...I am from those parts and I know how these if restored to it's original state can easily be used as tourist attractions... And they are absolutely not communist monuments...sure a lot of them where built at that time..but for example the monument from Jasenovac is built at the place where a nazy concentration camp was..the monument was built to honor all those that died there..and many of the others have similar stories
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